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10 players selected by Winnipeg in the Rule V draft?! Seriously?

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10 players selected by Winnipeg in the Rule V draft?! Seriously?

Post  bholmes4 on December 7th 2010, 11:02 am

I hate to be the one to point this out but this is extreme, no? A bunch of these guys are A ball players and will get destroyed if kept on the big league roster. I hope this isn't blatant tanking and just an oversight on Winnipeg's part (ie. didn't expect to be able to draft this many players).

Is their a way to cap the number of rounds of free agency? Honestly, as much as I like the concept I don't think Rule V's work in online leagues. Every league I am in it is alway a case of GMs capitalizing on GMs who are inexperienced, too busy and forgetful to fix their roster, or just plain careless or disinterested. I wouldn't care if we just scrapped the whole thing from now on.
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Re: 10 players selected by Winnipeg in the Rule V draft?! Seriously?

Post  Ed-Winnipeg on December 7th 2010, 11:13 am

I screwed up. I put together a draft list and then said copy to all rounds like I always do with a rookie draft. I had no idea that the Rule-5 draft is 10 rounds long.
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Post  Ed-Winnipeg on December 7th 2010, 11:24 am

I don't have any objection to having some of those players returned to their original organizations.
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Post  EdmontonGM on December 7th 2010, 11:45 am

Any of us might have fallen into this pitfall of computerization. It should be fixed up.
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Post  hbomb on December 7th 2010, 1:38 pm

I'm firewalled at work - with no ootp access - so I haven't been able to look at this yet. The question is, what is a fair resolution? It would be hard to recreate yesterday, as the league file is backed up prior to the exports being received, and many exports are likely written over at this stage, with new exports.

If Winnipeg provides me a list of those drafted, that they don't indend to have on the ML roster for opening day, I can return them to their former teams.

I'm thinking that's best for now.

As for the other issues, I did make a point of making roster changes for a few teams, with vacat owners, or owners on vacation, so there would be no team overexposed to the rule 5. I think the rule 5 is an important draft, and I would hate to lose it. But if it is possible to shorten it, I can look into this.
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Post  EdmontonGM on December 7th 2010, 2:17 pm

Unlike at the end of a pennant race or the amateur draft where a mistake affects other teams, this is a relatively easy problem to get fixed up-- it doesn't really have any important effect on any other team. The team just shouldn't be stuck with a gaggle of players there was no intention to draft- but for a mistake that was easy to make.

Without checking for sure I think no other team took more than one player so there is not really any effect after the first round just sending those players back to where they were.
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Post  Ed-Winnipeg on December 7th 2010, 3:33 pm

These are the players that I drafted. The five that are highlighted are the most likely to be able to stick for the entire season. Four have AAA experience. C Ben Mills has only AA experience, but plays a position of extreme need in my organization. I'm fine with getting to keep as few as one or as many as five.

Drafted C Rocky Hancock in the 2015 Rule 5 Draft (Round 1, Pick 5, 5th overall Pick).
Drafted SP Alonso González in the 2015 Rule 5 Draft (Round 2, Pick 5, 25th overall Pick).
Drafted C Ben Mills in the 2015 Rule 5 Draft (Round 3, Pick 5, 45th overall Pick).
Drafted MR Brian Byers in the 2015 Rule 5 Draft (Round 4, Pick 5, 65th overall Pick).
Drafted MR Juan Pérez in the 2015 Rule 5 Draft (Round 5, Pick 5, 85th overall Pick).
Drafted 1B Júlio Hernández in the 2015 Rule 5 Draft (Round 6, Pick 5, 105th overall Pick).
Drafted CF Walt Cook in the 2015 Rule 5 Draft (Round 7, Pick 5, 125th overall Pick).
Drafted SP Tan-ming Ow-Yang in the 2015 Rule 5 Draft (Round 8, Pick 5, 145th overall Pick).
Drafted 3B Sadao Ishikawa in the 2015 Rule 5 Draft (Round 9, Pick 5, 165th overall Pick).
Drafted MR Ramón Contreras in the 2015 Rule 5 Draft (Round 10, Pick 5, 185th overall Pick).
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Post  bholmes4 on December 7th 2010, 6:15 pm

I hoped it was just a glitch due to the list system and I'm glad to hear it was Smile I agree this is an easy fix and if you scanned the teams to make sure no one too important was lost I am comfortable with that.

If there is a way to reduce it to 2 or 3 rounds though that would be ideal.
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Post  EdmontonGM on December 7th 2010, 10:57 pm

If a team actually wanted 10 players they should have them.
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Post  hbomb on December 7th 2010, 11:02 pm

EdmontonGM wrote:If a team actually wanted 10 players they should have them.

I tend to agree. As long as they intend to have them on the roster.
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Post  bholmes4 on December 8th 2010, 6:48 pm

Seriously? You would have no problem with a team taking 10 guys that were Rookie ball type players?

In this case it was a mixture of levels (and apparently a mistake) so this is not directed at Winnipeg but what if someone did that next year? Why don't I just sit all my top players and call up half my rookie league team to make sure I get some top draft picks. Then when I am ready to "compete" I will play my guys again in a season or two.

Honestly the game doesn't know how to handle a situation like this and won't properly simulate the fall out with fans, player's, player's union, player agents, television and advertising revenue, etc. that would occur. We have to police ourselves to some extent. If you want to do that stuff in solo leagues go nuts, but for an online league I want no part of that.

Now if mean that in the case of 10 legitimate big league players that are better than your own, and ready to play then yes, I agree and apologize now for going right to the extreme case Smile
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Post  EdmontonGM on December 8th 2010, 9:22 pm

Your point about someone tanking their team is entirely appropriate. I did not have that in mind.

I agree that it would be exceptionally rare for a GM acting responsibly to have a team where 10 of 25 players were rule 5 draftees. To refine my point I just think it would be unnecessary to enforce a more restrictive rule because the commish can always step in in the case of the easily occurring error that happened here or in the case where a team is actually tanked.

You suggested a limit of 3 rounds-- what if a serious GM actually saw 4 decent players available. Those players would not all have to be starters, but might be a way for a team to get potential it would not have otherwise. So I suggest leaving it open at 10 and letting the commish handle the rare problem.

I have played several online leagues since version 5.0 and never seen a team tanked. Maybe you have and have good reason to try to avoid it. The usually thing is that the GM just drops out.

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Post  hbomb on December 8th 2010, 9:40 pm

I prefer to kick people out before they drop out, or tank the team Smile
Unfortunately the rule 5 isn't customizable, so we'll play by ear, and adapt if there's unforeseen consequences.
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EdmontonGM wrote:Your point about someone tanking their team is entirely appropriate. I did not have that in mind.

I agree that it would be exceptionally rare for a GM acting responsibly to have a team where 10 of 25 players were rule 5 draftees. To refine my point I just think it would be unnecessary to enforce a more restrictive rule because the commish can always step in in the case of the easily occurring error that happened here or in the case where a team is actually tanked.

You suggested a limit of 3 rounds-- what if a serious GM actually saw 4 decent players available. Those players would not all have to be starters, but might be a way for a team to get potential it would not have otherwise. So I suggest leaving it open at 10 and letting the commish handle the rare problem.

I have played several online leagues since version 5.0 and never seen a team tanked. Maybe you have and have good reason to try to avoid it. The usually thing is that the GM just drops out.

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Post  bholmes4 on December 8th 2010, 10:14 pm

I'm cool with that, especially if you can't customize it. As long as we use common sense here everything should be good.

I've only really ever seen one example of blatant tanking and I replaced the GM responsible after the commish removed him (and also after he dispersed most of the young talent around the league). I agree it's an extremely rare problem.
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